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  Kingdom Hall Bomb

  by Dr Jekyll in

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  old news but uncle bruce wanted it dug up.... the guardian.

  22nd july 1985.. man killed in blast.

  at sydney service.. from richard yallop in melbourne.. one man was killed and 70 people were taken to hospital after a bomb exploded yesterday during a jehovah's witnesses service in a kingdom hall in the sydney suburb of lurnea.. the explosion occurred close to the speaker's dais just as mr. david winder, a visiting elder from the sydney suburb of prospect, had begun his address on loyalty to god and the family.

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  Sea Breeze

  @ Parzival

  What is the local consensus on why he did it?
  
  
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  Watchtower/GB use Memorial to do SATAN'S work!

  by BoogerMan in

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  the cult's dogma claims the exodus foreigners were not participants of the law covenant and use it is an antitype to prove the “other sheep” are not participants of the new covenant - wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6. their demonic dogma is then enforced annually via the org's anti-christ ritual - the memorial of christ's death - to compel jw's to reject christ and the new covenant.. deuteronomy 29:10-15 screams “liars” & "offspring of vipers" at the watchtower hierarchy!.

  are jw's too blinded to read and understand the bible for themselves????????????.

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  Sea Breeze

  Good Catch BM:

  Deuteronomy 29:10-15 :

  
  “All of you stand today before the Lord your God: your leaders and your tribes and your elders and your officers, all the men of Israel, 11 your little ones and your wives—also the stranger who is in your camp, from the one who cuts your wood to the one who draws your water— 12 that you may enter into covenant with the Lord your God, and into His oath, which the Lord your God makes with you today, 13 that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God to you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  14 “I make this covenant and this oath, not with you alone, 15 but with him who stands here with us today before the Lord our God, as well as with him who is not here with us today
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

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  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  VH7 - Rev. 5:9 doesn't say the 144k male Jewish virgins are from every kindred and nation?

  "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"

  The 144K are not introduced until Chapter 7.

  Rev. 14 says they (144K are on MT. Zion.) They hear a voice "from heaven" because they are on earth.
  
  What makes you think the 144K are in heaven?
  
  
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  Religion vs. The Gospel

  by Chalam in

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  hello jwners,.

  the jw i chatted with recently directed me to matthew 24 with regards to the witnesses and highlighted matthew 24:14. i asked him what "this gospel" is.

  the only answer i got was "i'm not sure what you mean".. .

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  Sea Breeze

  Excellent quotes you dug up there VH7!
  
  It's like they want to be cursed of God. Evil slaves.... every one of them.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  Sea Breeze

  Jehovah's Witnesses are supreme expert liars. This video is just one of many examples on the internet. Everyone seems to act the same when asked questions, they give the same canned answers. They act the exact same when they have had enough. It is downright creepy.
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  114,000, Literal, or Symbolic?

  by Wonderment in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a poster wrote to me privately, and brought to my attention the following comment below i made a while back in regards to the 144,00 number of revelation.

  i had casually conjectured that this number was likely symbolic in line with the book of revelation being mostly symbolic in kind.

  he brought up this juicy source:.

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  Sea Breeze

  @ ozziepost: I don't see the problem with letting the bible mean what is says, and say what it means.

  Here are some of the facts about the 144,000 we can know from Scripture:
  
  

  • They are called “the servants of our God” here. (Revelation 7:3)
  • They are sealed for their protection. (Revelation 7:1-3)
  • Their seal is the seal of God, which is the Father's Name written on their foreheads. (Revelation 7:3,14:1)
  • They are taken care of by God for a time, and times and half a time. (Revelation 12:14)
  • The dragon hates them and will seek to destroy them. (Revelation 12:15)
  • They are virgins not defiled with women. (Revelation 14:4a)
  • They are not deceitful and are right before God. (Revelation 14:5)
  • They will be redeemed from among men. (Revelation 14:4)
  • They will be firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. (Revelation 14:4)
  • Not only are they Jewish but also true followers of Jesus Christ. (Revelation 7:4,14:4b)
  • They are humans of earth, not sent from heaven or anywhere else.(Revelation 7:2-3,14:4b)

  Remember, the church is not seen or spoken of in Revelation after Chapter 3.
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  Human rights violations being ignored by.....

  by BoogerMan in

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  .....ukraine!!!

  (according to osce submission in 2019) https://www.osce.org/odihr/431066.

  if it was homosexuals or transsexuals being targeted, would nations & the democracies of the world be supporting the ukrainian government?.

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  Sea Breeze

  I thought everyone knew that this war was at least in part about Putin trying to stop the spread of aggressive homosexual agenda.

  Here's Zalinski doing an erotic dance.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CDJejIZOgU&ab_channel=yanabird

  Ukraine has big homosexual marches in the streets.

  But Russian banned them in the capitol for 100 years.
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  Jehovah's New Light

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
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  what new light from jehovah did you find hard to swallow?.

  the conversations in the attached video are enlightening.

  the graphic is hilarious.. https://youtu.be/byj3zrpbuvg.

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  Sea Breeze

  Quote: "We change not because we are fickle, but because we just want to progress into spiritual light".

  Wow! No fear of God and they put their trust in men:

  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. - Gal. 1: 8-9

  My bible says there is no such thing as doctrinal "new light". When the apostles died, Christian doctrine was fixed in an unalterable state... at least until the Lord returns.

  Cursed is the man who puts their trust in men. - Jer. 17: 5

  
  
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  For Born-Ins - If You Were 18 Again, What 7 Things Would You do Differently?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  here's mine:.

  1. go immediately to college and study construction management.

  2. set up an ira and start contributing every year.

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  Sea Breeze

  I would have bought that 1981 Z28 Camaro. I wanted it sooooo bad!

  
  
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  Was / Is God biased ? prejudiced against certain Peoples / Tribes or Nations ?

  by smiddy3 in

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  let me explain :.

  after the creation account of the bible, tribes of people and nations began to form and spread around the land.. god first chose noah and his family to protect them as he destroys all others in the flood.. and he ticks off everyone in babel ?

  and then he favours abraham and his descendants as the nation of israel culminating in the jewish lineage to jesus the son of god.. he has never had any dealings with any other people`s or nation isn`t that some form of favouritism ?

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  Sea Breeze

  I think that Dr. Habermas took his sampling from scholars "who publish in the area" of Jesus Death & Resurrection:

  What would make non-Christian scholars like Paula Fredriksen, say stuff like this:

  I know in their own terms what they saw was the raised Jesus. That’s what they say, and then all the historic evidence we have afterwards attest to their conviction that that’s what they saw. I’m not saying that they really did see the raised Jesus. I wasn’t there. I don’t know what they saw. But I do know that as a historian that they must have seen something.

  Here is a list of 42 statements from skeptic, Christian & non-Christian scholars who publish in this area :

  -Bart Ehrman (New Testament scholar, historian of early Christianity) (5)

  • “That Jesus’ followers (and later Paul) had resurrection experiences is, in my judgment, a fact. What the reality was that gave rise to the experiences I do not know.”

  • “Paul’s tradition that 500 people saw Jesus at the same time has led some people to suggest that Jesus’ followers suffered mass hysteria. But mass hysteria does not explain the other traditions.”

  • “Finally we know that after his death his followers experienced what they described as the ‘resurrection’: the appearance of a living but transformed person who had actually died. They believed this, they lived it, and they died for it.”

  -E. P. Sanders (New Testament and Pauline scholar) (6)

  • “It may be taken as historically certain that Peter and the disciples had experiences after Jesus’s death in which Jesus appeared to them as the risen Christ.”

  -Gerd Ludemann (1946-2021) (Biblical historian) (7)

  • “After Jesus’ death, the disciples endured persecution, and a number of them experienced martyrdom. The strength of their conviction indicates that they were not just claiming Jesus had appeared to them after rising from the dead. They really believed it. They willingly endangered themselves by publicly proclaiming the risen Christ.”

  –Michael Licona (New Testament scholar) (8)

  • “I accept the resurrection of Easter Sunday not as an invention of the community of disciples, but as a historical event. If the resurrection of Jesus from the dead on that Easter Sunday were a public event which had been made known…not only to the 530 Jewish witnesses but to the entire population, all Jews would have become followers of Jesus.”

  -Pinchas Lapide (1922-1997) (Jewish theologian) (9)

  • “The conviction that Jesus had risen from the dead had already taken root by the time Paul was converted about 33 C.E. On the assumption that Jesus died about 30 C.E., the time for development was thus two or three years at most.”

  -Robert Funk (1926-2005) (Biblical scholar) (10)

  • “The disciples thought that they had witnessed Jesus’ appearances, which, however they are explained, “is a fact upon which both believer and unbeliever may agree.”

  -Reginald Fuller (1915-2007) (Biblical scholar) (11)

  • “Even the most skeptical historian” must do one more thing: “postulate some other event” that is not the disciples’ faith, but the reason for their faith, in order to account for their experiences. Of course, both natural and supernatural options have been proposed.”

  -Reginald Fuller (Biblical scholar) (12)

  • “I know in their own terms, what they saw was the raised Jesus. That’s what they say, and then all the historic evidence we have afterwards attests to their conviction that that’s what they saw. I’m not saying that they really did see the raised Jesus. I wasn’t there. I don’t know what they saw. But I do know as an historian, that they must have seen something.”

  -Paula Fredrickson (Historian and scholar of early Christianity) (13)

  • “If Jesus had died and stayed dead, they would either have given up the movement, or they would have found another messiah. Something extraordinary happened which convinced them that Jesus was the Messiah.”

  -Nicholas Thomas (N. T.) Wright (New Testament and Pauline scholar) (14)

  • “… that is why, as a historian, I cannot explain the rise of early Christianity unless Jesus rose again, leaving an empty tomb behind him.”